tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post5127483525110068319..comments2024-01-28T00:20:40.933-08:00Comments on Agoraphilia: Return to Bathroom ArenaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-91709906848192518022007-06-27T21:24:00.000-07:002007-06-27T21:24:00.000-07:00The approach that's worked for us (35 years of mar...The approach that's worked for us (35 years of marriage) is for everyone to lower not just the seat, but also the lid (seat cover), after every use. It's the same motion to lift either the lid only or the lid plus seat before each use. It's the same motion to lower the seat plus lid, or just the lid after use. No one finds the toilet in position for immediate use. The big advantage is that the toilet is always covered when not in use, so items like hairbrushes, razors, and bars of soap won't fall into it. Avoiding that hassle surely has considerable value.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02281898493441055833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-16549133878670776552007-06-26T15:33:00.000-07:002007-06-26T15:33:00.000-07:00As I mentioned during one of the previous discussi...As I mentioned during one of the previous discussions of this topic, "midnight surprises" seem most likely to occur in households that (imperfectly) attempt to follow the Always Down rule. Members of households that don't try to adhere to the Always Down rule are unlikely to attempt a blind sit-down. (Although Glen's suggestion of separate day/night strategies would probably be even worse at this.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-40254242751989296742007-06-26T10:36:00.000-07:002007-06-26T10:36:00.000-07:00I'm not surprised that women argue for the policy ...I'm not surprised that women argue for the policy that's in their interest.<BR/><BR/>But, I'm amazed at how indignant they can get that men have the nerve to challenge it, and to consider whether it's efficient or equitable. <BR/><BR/>They often (as in the article) make it seem like it reveals an unreasonable bias in men that they do this type of analysis.<BR/><BR/>The last paragraph in the Economist article is an example of this, and I made a comment there about it.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-45998285844287938292007-06-25T14:27:00.000-07:002007-06-25T14:27:00.000-07:00Wait a minute, how are only women susceptible to t...Wait a minute, how are only women susceptible to the midnight surprise? Isn't the situation symmetrical? If the seat is down, can't men get a "midnight surprise" of their own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-66079715432457695592007-06-23T16:27:00.000-07:002007-06-23T16:27:00.000-07:00I think this article ignores the possibilty of pun...I think this article ignores the possibilty of punishments imposed by the male player upon the female player in retaliation for punihshments imposed upon him. If, for instance, the male player were to reduce the female player's monthly shoe budget every time she yelled at him for leaving the seat up, this would incur a cost upon the female player for yelling, thus perhaps making it an irrational course of action, even if there is some benefit to be gained.The English Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533858171099731155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-32773114392236076532007-06-23T10:15:00.000-07:002007-06-23T10:15:00.000-07:00Ran: Check out this video.Ran: Check out <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqcAkQXDFjw" REL="nofollow">this video</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-41609703847419342652007-06-23T03:55:00.000-07:002007-06-23T03:55:00.000-07:00I think all you economic guys and girls have got i...I think all you economic guys and girls have got it wrong. Another academic discipline cracked the code a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>Two sweet words. Penis and Envy.<BR/><BR/>Small economic matters such as cost and benefit have no influence on the nefarious and varied expressions of this "resentiment".<BR/><BR/>AD or CWN are just sub-routines in the more general game of attrition. As such there is only temporary appeasement or temporary surrender.<BR/><BR/>But let me propose two more radical solutions - Cotton Wool or Scissors.Marshall Bolton/Zighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09369868385363642826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-17303645226410209102007-06-22T20:18:00.000-07:002007-06-22T20:18:00.000-07:00Now reading the previous posts: these arguments al...Now reading the previous posts: these arguments all make theoretical sense, but there's definitely something irrational going on. I (a man) always put the lid down after I go (well, not in public restrooms, which don't have them, but then, they generally are separated by sex anyway), and no one has ever seemed to mind. No one, so far as I know, has ever accidentally sat on the lid without noticing it was down.<BR/><BR/>That said, I think there might be a fairness argument for always leaving the lid down. Men don't <EM>need</EM> to raise the seat to pee: we can sit. (It's horrid to contemplate, but since women have no choice but to do it, it's not surprising that they don't have sympathy.) Alternatively, we can try to aim better, but I don't think anyone would like the result of that approach. :-) Further, it's less gross to put down the seat right before washing one's hands - especially if one has already touched the seat to put it up - than to put it down right before using the toilet. (Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of its being gross to put up the seat before peeing, but I don't see any solution that does.)Ranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01369980917358096502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-29790109339927887862007-06-22T20:00:00.000-07:002007-06-22T20:00:00.000-07:00I don't have any comment on this particular issue,...I don't have any comment on this particular issue, but I can vouch for the accuracy of the principle in other arenas. Specifically, when living together, the tidier partner will pretty much always shoulder the entire cleaning burden, except where she can provide an incentive to her sloppy partner to meet certain minimum standards (e.g., avoidance of yelling, sulking, or other forms of punishment that are only effective in an iterated game). And sure enough, now that my partner doesn't live with me, but only visits, he can easily avoid most of this kind of punishment by not being there, and his tidiness standards have fallen rather dramatically.LPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02844904529273489063noreply@blogger.com