tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post4733072330268440504..comments2024-01-28T00:20:40.933-08:00Comments on Agoraphilia: Rizzo on Becker's Presidential Medal of FreedomUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-74290512603484548432007-11-09T17:08:00.000-08:002007-11-09T17:08:00.000-08:00Professor Rizzo is right on target. George W. Bus...Professor Rizzo is right on target. George W. Bush is an enemy of liberty; Becker, and everyone else, ought to be pointing this out loudly, not playing along.Charles N. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591239571590092531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-47534541082510627712007-11-08T13:19:00.000-08:002007-11-08T13:19:00.000-08:00The issue isn't only where you draw the line but a...The issue isn't only where you draw the line but also what you think of GW (not just in terms of freedom/libertarian concerns, but all around).<BR/><BR/> In terms of liberty I don't see GW as exactly being a shining positive example but what modern president has been? Answer none of them have been.<BR/>Measured against other presidents Bush doesn't seem so bad, and any reasonable person would put him light years away from Kim Jong Il, really in a different category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-63873066302046122772007-11-07T16:44:00.000-08:002007-11-07T16:44:00.000-08:00Whoops!I guess it was actually two days ago.We've ...Whoops!<BR/><BR/>I guess it was actually two days ago.<BR/><BR/>We've been debating ancient history (in internet time, anyway).<BR/><BR/>Becker <A HREF="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/11/images/20071105-1_d-0150-7-515h.html" REL="nofollow">appeared</A> to have been pleased.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-63995750593216369672007-11-07T16:34:00.000-08:002007-11-07T16:34:00.000-08:00Well, apparently the ceremony was yesterday and Be...Well, <A HREF="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/reflections-on-a-visit-to-the-white-house/" REL="nofollow">apparently</A> the ceremony was yesterday and Becker not only accepted, but got a haircut for the event!<BR/><BR/>So, he seems to disagree with Rizzo and the others who thought it would have been appropriate to refuse.<BR/><BR/>And, in this case, his opinion is the one that really matters.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-54805561494575152332007-11-07T14:22:00.000-08:002007-11-07T14:22:00.000-08:00I overall agree with Mario Rizzo about George W. B...I overall agree with Mario Rizzo about George W. Bush but does Gary Becker disagree with George W. Bush? Maybe he actually endorses George W. Bush's foreign policy. After he's co-blogging with Richard Posner who seems to be endorsing Bush. My other question would be: what about Milton Friedman who received the Freedom Medal from Ronald Reagan? Should he have accepted it or refused it? I would tend to think Reagan was much better than Bush, Jr. so I will be tempted to say yes but I am not sure super-hardcore libertarians like Rothbard would agree with me.<BR/><BR/>Alex Padilla<BR/>http://www.econales.comAlexandre Padillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077320748857632892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-13309984730224832482007-11-07T14:08:00.000-08:002007-11-07T14:08:00.000-08:00Some people, like Gil, are of the opinion that Geo...Some people, like Gil, are of the opinion that George Bush just isn't that bad. I'm of the opinion that while Bush isn't nearly as bad as Kim Jong Il, he's nonetheless pretty bad. If George Bush were personally giving Becker a $500,000 grant to do more research, I'd really have no problem with Becker accepting that money - aside from my normal libertarian doubts. <BR/><BR/>But where Bush is giving Becker a medal, I think it's fair to ask whether Becker wants to accept the medal from a man who has shown so little regard for "freedom".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-18148369025099546362007-11-07T12:46:00.000-08:002007-11-07T12:46:00.000-08:00The award is the "Presidential" Medal, not the "Ge...The award is the "Presidential" Medal, not the "George W. Bush" Medal. Becker would still have a Presidential Medal long after Bush leaves office. I think that's appropriate symbolism. <BR/><BR/>I'm a libertarian and no fan of GWB or any government. It's still a prestigious award.Chris Hibberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12235621011708498622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-51504216410645188282007-11-07T12:05:00.000-08:002007-11-07T12:05:00.000-08:00Give me a break. Welcome to another chapter of "l...Give me a break. Welcome to another chapter of "lunatic libertarianism" (sometimes, unfortunately, also known as "libertarianism").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-39656312773512647632007-11-07T09:28:00.000-08:002007-11-07T09:28:00.000-08:00Well, I guess it depends on how one interprets the...Well, I guess it depends on how one interprets the award.<BR/><BR/>I don't see it as having much to do with the person or policies of GWB. I see it as an honor given by the <I>office</I> of the President of the United States (which, like it or not, is quite important). I really don't think many people would view accepting the award as an endorsement of GWB's policies.<BR/><BR/>If I were Becker, I would accept it. I'd view it as honoring my work and ideas, and giving them more attention. That seems like a good thing to me.<BR/><BR/>I really don't see any good coming from refusing it. I think it would make Becker and his ideas seem like fringe extremism and would hurt them. <BR/><BR/>Also, it would make future presidents hesitate before attempting to honor independent thinkers whose personal and political loyalty were uncertain.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-65046193596195354312007-11-07T08:34:00.000-08:002007-11-07T08:34:00.000-08:00Gil -- see Mario's addendum. The issue is not rec...Gil -- see Mario's addendum. The issue is not receiving money; it is receiving a symbolic honor in the name of freedom. Is Bush in a moral position to grant such an honor? I think not.Glen Whitmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01425907466575991113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-24082902545250794702007-11-07T08:33:00.000-08:002007-11-07T08:33:00.000-08:00Couldn't he just say he's 'busy' until 2009, but w...Couldn't he just say he's 'busy' until 2009, but will drop by the White House to pick it up then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-68710147433242214372007-11-07T07:34:00.000-08:002007-11-07T07:34:00.000-08:00Well said, Dr. Rizzo. Becker should tell Shrub to...Well said, Dr. Rizzo. Becker should tell Shrub to shove his medal into a seldom-used but highly-available orifice, assuming Bush is not busy pulling policy decisions or further justifications for war out of it.Wilt Alstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165872744465258967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-48183135105132111412007-11-06T23:51:00.000-08:002007-11-06T23:51:00.000-08:00Yes, Glen. We're only quibbling about where to dr...Yes, Glen. We're <I>only</I> quibbling about where to draw the line.<BR/><BR/>I guess you draw it somewhere between the California State University system and GWB.<BR/><BR/>I draw it between GWB and Kim Jong Il. I see a much greater difference between these two than your two.<BR/><BR/>I really don't see how any reasonable cost-benefit analysis could lead to the refusal of the award, unless one derived a huge psychological (psychotic?) benefit from a futile symbolic gesture.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if Becker would get such a benefit. If professor Rizzo would, he's welcome to do it with his own career and reputation.<BR/><BR/>BTW, it seems that <A HREF="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2007/11/beckers_dirty_hands.cfm" REL="nofollow">Will Wilkinson</A> suggests that acceptance may be better for freedom, as well.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-33756065892446211172007-11-06T21:49:00.000-08:002007-11-06T21:49:00.000-08:00Yet another example of Bush derangement syndrome. ...Yet another example of Bush derangement syndrome. Get help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-47490009969557685282007-11-06T19:49:00.000-08:002007-11-06T19:49:00.000-08:00Well said, Mario.Becker should tell George to shov...Well said, Mario.<BR/><BR/>Becker should tell George to shove it.Daniel Kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11147313733143130184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-26561992635399277602007-11-06T17:42:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:42:00.000-08:00Well said, Mario. Imagine, a Medal of Freedom from...Well said, Mario. Imagine, a Medal of Freedom from the state. I mean, really...Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-33285862837049423312007-11-06T17:36:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:36:00.000-08:00This is a tough one. Is it ethical to "play nice" ...This is a tough one. Is it ethical to "play nice" with a … with a … with someone there are no non-vulgar words for? I don't think that Becker's acceptance of the award will in any way lend his credibility to the President, so I really think it's just a question of how Becker will feel: will he feel honored to have received the highest civilian honors of one of the greatest countries in the world? Or will he feel gross to have received it from the likes of Bush? I think it's a personal and emotional question more than one of ethics.Ranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01369980917358096502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-69607458911294729032007-11-06T16:54:00.000-08:002007-11-06T16:54:00.000-08:00Sorry you saw fit to post this.Sorry you saw fit to post this.Craig Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17778080830068892260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-88864192037139943592007-11-06T14:55:00.000-08:002007-11-06T14:55:00.000-08:00Sorry, but I think that this makes little sense.I ...Sorry, but I think that this makes little sense.<BR/><BR/>I don't think refusing the award would do any good. But, it would do some harm to Becker's reputation.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the president has done some bad things. But, he has done some good things, too; and this is one of them.<BR/><BR/>Why not encourage the good behavior by accepting the award graciously and not making Bush regret it? And why encourage future presidents to only bestow honors on people who have no criticisms of them?<BR/><BR/>Becker deserves the honor.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16905127825110313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3829599.post-28381456371273138892007-11-06T14:02:00.000-08:002007-11-06T14:02:00.000-08:00Very well said, of course. But truly courageous wo...Very well said, of course. But truly courageous would be for Becker to accept the award (he's deserving of it), but to use the opportunity to denounce the prize-giver-in-chief for being totally unworthy of the same prize, for the reasons cited by Dr. Rizzo. <BR/><BR/>However, if there is a monetary prize attached, I can't see turning it down even if Hitler were handing out the medal; I like money too much. Sadly, there can be an unjust personal price to pay for such courageous & truthful outspokenness. For one thing, you might get assassinated like MLK did. Or, like the cabaret singer Eartha Kitt, you might end up blacklisted and have your career damaged. I'm thinking of the surprise anti-Vietnam war speech that she gave at a luncheon hosted by Lady Bird Johnson at the White House. She was subsequently unable to work for many years in the U.S., and survived financially only by working in Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com